Russian baby-swinging yoga guru Lena Fokina—whose unconventional child-rearing terrorized YouTube earlier this year—recently went on high-profile Russian talk show Let Them Talk. Before a live studio audience, Lena Fokina swung a baby, endured half an hour of berate and ridicule, then burst into tears.

Lena Fokina, the hardbodied Russian viral video star seen swinging babies here and here, is real. She teaches baby yoga for a living and raised two (seemingly) healthy daughters that way. And she just gave her first American interview!